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Power level list Saiyans to Boo
Topic Started: Jun 28 2013, 04:17 AM (3,104 Views)
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Saiyan Arc

Raditz section

Raditz: 1.310

Goku (weights): 334
::no weights: 416
::kamehameha: 924

Piccolo (weights): 322
::no weights: 408
::1st makankosappo: 1.330
::post Raditz weighted: 329

Gohan: 1
::distressed: 710
::enraged: 1.307

Krillin: 206

Tien: 250

Yamcha: 177

Chiaotzu: 145

Master Roshi: 139

Yajirobe: 165

King Yemma: 2.000

King Kai: 3.000

Vegeta and Nappa section

Krillin: 1.800
::suppressed: 1.083
::scattershot: 2.500
::kamehameha: 2.000
::weakened spirit bomb: 20.000
::end of fight: 1.000
::kienzan: 4.500 - it's possible that the kienzan cuts no matter what, but I prefer it to be a really big amp

Tien: 1.890
::kikoho: 2.600

Yamcha: 1.450
::kamehameha: 1.700

Chiaotzu: 850
::self destruct: 2.300

Piccolo: 2.500

Gohan: 1.650
::suppressed: 981
::enraged Masenko: 2.800
::enraged against Vegeta: 4.000
::enraged Masenko: 4.400
::Oozaru: 13.000

Yajirobe: 1.000

Goku: 8.100
::suppressed: 5.000
::kiai: 9.000
::kaio-ken: 16.200
::kaio-ken x3: 24.300
::kaio-ken x3 kamehameha: 25.000
::kaio-ken x4: 32.400
::kaio-ken x4 kamehameha: 32.500
::spirit bomb: 400.000
::post beam struggle: 4.500
::down for the count: 500

Nappa: 7.600
::relaxed: 2.500
::medium effort: 3,600
::unfocused, enraged: 6.500
::mouth blast: 8.400

Vegeta: 18.000
::relaxed: 3.000
::Nappa finisher: 19.000
::semi-relaxed against Goku: 16.500
::1st beatdown: 14.000
::galick gun: 26.000
::post beam struggle: 10.000
::post moon creation: 7.000
::Oozaru: 70.000
::post Oozaru: 4.500
::post spirit bomb: 2.000
::post Oozaru Gohan smash: 700

Freeza Arc

Namek section

Gohan: 1.900 - should have gotten a zenkai, plus image training
::suppressed: 5
::against Freeza goons: 1.500
::kicking Dodoria: 4.000
::Guru power-up: 14.900

Krillin: 2.000
::suppressed: 5
::against Freeza goons: 1.550
::Guru power-up: 13.000

Warrior Namekians: 3.000
::suppressed: 1.000

Dende: 300
::Guru power-up: 1.000

Goku: 12.000 - zenkai

Nail: 42.000
::suppressed: 20.000
::beaten down: 25.000
::mystic flasher: 45.000

Vegeta: 24.000
::suppressed: 18.000
::post Zarbon zenkai: 29.800

Freeza soldiers: 1.150

Appule: 2.100

Cui: 18.100

Dodoria: 21.000

Zarbon: 21.500
::monster form: 28.000

Freeza: 530.000
::suppressed: 150.000
::angry ki blasts (after Vegeta stole the dragon balls): 350.000

Ginyu section

Ginyu: 120.000
::Goku's body: 23.000
::suppressed: 50.000
::warm up: 65,000
::Goku battle level: 80.000

Recoome: 41.500

Burter: 41.500

Jeice: 41.500

Vegeta: 29.800
::final crash: 36.000
::initial zenkai: 60.000
::Jeice massacre: 200.000

Krillin: 13.000
::kamehameha: 16.000
::after 1st Ginyu bout: 24.500

Gohan: 14.900
::masenko: 18.000
::masenko against Recoome: 22.000
::after 1st Ginyu bout: 26.000

Goku: 90.000
::suppressed: 5.000
::Recoome knockout: 70.000
::Ginyu humiliation: 65.000
::Ginyu battle level (before kaio-ken): 76,000
::kaio-ken: 180.000
::kaio-ken x10 (not seen): 900.000
::Ginyu's body: 5.000

Freeza section

Freeza 1st form: 530.000

Freeza 2nd form: 1.100.000
::Gohan beatdown: 1.300.000
::full power: 1.650.000

Vegeta: 513.000
::double Galick: 800.000
::zenkai madness: 3.300.000

Gohan: 420.000
::enraged: 1.100.000
::zenkai: 1.000.000
::2nd enraged: 2.200.000

Krillin: 370.000
::kienzan: 1.400.000
::split kienzan: 1.800.000

Piccolo: 1.750.000
::pre fusion: 80.000
::weighted, post fusion: 1.550.000
::powered by Krillin/Gohan, full power attack: 4.000.000

Freeza 3rd form: 2.500.000

Freeza: 190.000.000
::initial: 4.000.000
::powered up against Goku: 8.000.000
::50%: 95.000.000
::70%: 135.000.000
::weakened: 160.000.000

Goku: 4.000.000
::kaio-ken: 8.000.000
::kaio-ken x10: 40.000.000
::kaio-ken x20: 80.000.000
::spirit bomb: 140.000.000
::super saiyan: 200.000.000

1 year later - Earth

Gohan: 1.500.000

Krillin: 900.000

Tien: 600.000

Yamcha: 350.000

Chiaotzu: 150.000

Vegeta: 4.100.000

Piccolo: 3.700.000

Trunks: 5.700.000
::super saiyan: 285.000.000

Mecha Freeza: 225.000.000
::suppressed: 8.000.000

King Cold: 140.000.000
::suppressed: 10.000.000

Goku: 6.000.000
::super saiyan: 300.000.000

3 years later - android arc

Goku: 51.000.000
::super saiyan: 510.000.000
::sick super saiyan: 420.000.000
::lowest super saiyan power: 220.000.000

Vegeta: 53.000.000
::super saiyan: 530.000.000
:: weakened after killing #19: 300.000.000

Piccolo: 430.000.000
::suppressed and weighted: 25.000.000

Trunks: 50.000.000
::super saiyan: 500.000.000

Gohan: 20.000.000

Krillin: 15.000.000

Tien: 11.000.000

Yamcha: 8.000.000

Chiaotzu: 2.000.000

Dr. Gero: 320.000.000
::with Yamcha's power: 330.000.000
::with Piccolo's power: 355.000.000

Android #19: 270.000.000
::with Goku's power: 310.000.000 - Goku lost most of it to the heart virus

Android #18: 810.000.000
::low effort: 550.000.000

Android #17: 845.000.000
::low effort: 580.000.000

Kamiccolo: 860.000.000
::weighted: 860.000.000
::weakened: 470.000.000
::light grenade: 1.000.000.000

1st form Cell: 1.600.000.000
::Ginger Town: 700.000.000

Cell Arc

Android #16: 1.500.000.000
:: Hell's flash: 1.600.000.000

2nd form Cell: 2.500.000.000
::initial: 2.000.000.000

Vegeta: 220.000.000
::super saiyan: 2.200.000.000
::grade 2: 3.000.000.000
::final flash: 6.500.000.000

Trunks: 212.000.000
::super saiyan: 2.120.000.000
::grade 2: 2.900.000.000
::grade 3: 5.000.000.000

Perfect Cell: 4.500.000.000
::buff: 5.600.000.000

Cell Games arc

Mr. Satan: 6.8

Goku: 1.100.000.000
::"about" 50% super saiyan: 6.000.000.000
::100% super saiyan: 10.000.000.000
::warp kamehameha: 20.000.000.000
::weakened: 4.100.000.000

Gohan: 1.700.000.000
::super saiyan: 17.000.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 60.000.000.000
::father-son kamehameha: 150.000.000.000

Piccolo: 5.900.000.000

Vegeta: 750.000.000
::super saiyan: 7.500.000.000
::big bang: 20.000.000.000

Trunks: 745.000.000
::super saiyan: 7.450.000.000

Cell Jrs: 7.760.000.000

Cell: 40.500.000.000
::fighting Goku: 12.300.000.000
::fighting Gohan: 25.000.000.000
::buff: 52.000.000.000
::self destruct: 15.000.000.000 - destroys the earth
::post zenkai: 59.300.000.000
::solar kamehameha: 140.000.000.000

Future #18: 550.000.000
::about 50%: 295.000.000 - we'll say that their suppressed levels were equal. It would make the most sense to me,

Future #17: 580.000.000
::50%: 295.000.000

Future Cell: 800.000.000 - I'd guess he'd at least be stronger than the future washing machines, though admittedly this number is a little random

7 years later - Earth

Gohan: 1.100.000.000
::super saiyan: 11.000.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 38.500.000.000

Goten: 960.000.000
::super saiyan: 9.600.000.000

Trunks: 975.000.000
::super saiyan: 9.750.000.000

Mighty Mask (Goten and Trunks): 830.000.000

Vegeta: 1.450.000.000
::super saiyan: 14.500.000.000

Goku: 1.840.000.000
::super saiyan: 18.400.000.000

Piccolo: 6.700.000.000

Krillin: 14.000.000

Android #18: 810.000.000

Yamcha: 7.000.000

Kaioshin: 780.000.000

Kibito: 200.000.000

Videl: 7

Spopovitch: 12

Yamu: 14

Majin Boo section

Babidi: 3

Dabura: 11.800.000.000

Pui Pui: 860.000.000

Yakon: 1.900.000.000

Goku: 1.840.000.000
::super saiyan: 18.400.000.000
::suppressed (Yakon): 6.900.000.000
::super saiyan 2 burst: 55.200.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 64.400.000.000
::super saiyan 3: 247.600.000.000

Majin Vegeta: 1.840.000.000
::super saiyan: 18.400.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 64.400.000.000
::final explosion: 180.000.000.000

Majin Boo: 230.000.000.000
::initial: 50.000.000.000
::first enragement: 72.000.000.000
::second enragement: 155.000.000.000

Gohan (Z-sword training): 5.700.000.000
::super saiyan: 57.000.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 200.000.000.000

Gotenks: 78.000.000.000
::super saiyan: 780.000.000.000

Super Boo section

Grey Boo: 138.000.000.000
Good Boo: 92.000.000.000

Super Boo: 195.000.000.000.000
::initial: 1.600.000.000.000
::Gotenks humiliation: 20.000.000.000

Gotenks: 1.500.000.000.000
::super saiyan: 15.000.000.000.000
::super saiyan 3: 210.000.000.000.000

Kibitoshin: 35.000.000.000

Ultimate Gohan: 292.500.000.000.000

Super Boo (Gotenks absorbed): 405.006.700.000.000

Tien: 13.500.000

Super Boo (Piccolo/Goten/Trunks absorbed): 195.008.635.000.000

Super Boo (Gohan absorbed): 487.508.635.000.000

Vegetto: 450.000.000.000.000
::super saiyan: 4.500.000.000.000.000
::SSJ2: 15.750.000.000.000.000
::SSJ3: 63.000.000.000.000.000

Buff Boo: 256.250.000.000.000

Kid Boo section

Kid Boo: 240.000.000.000
::initial: 50.000.000.000

Goku: 1.840.000.000
::super saiyan 3: 247.600.000.000
::super saiyan 3 (before reverting to base): 255.000.000.000
::super spirit bomb: 1.500.000.000.000

Good Boo: 92.000.000.000

Vegeta: 1.840.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 64.400.000.000
::beaten up: 900.000.000

End of Dragon Ball Z

Goku: 235.000.000.000
::super saiyan: 2.350.000.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 8.225.000.000.000
::super saiyan 3: 32.900.000.000.000

Vegeta: 229.000.000.000
::super saiyan: 2.290.000.000.000
::super saiyan 2: 8.015.000.000.000

Goten: 2.200.000.000
::super saiyan: 22.000.000.000

Trunks: 2.000.000.000
::super saiyan: 20.000.000.000

Oob: 240.000.000.000
::initial: 3.8
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Piccolo's Ki blast > Gohan's Masenko? Shouldn't be that way. The Masenko is implied to be stronger than anything the good guys produced against Nappa, and Piccolo states Gohan has power surpassing his own if he focuses.

Other than that, with my quick glance over, the prime chains are intact. Though...where is Kaioshin?
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This is what I don't get or agree with with these power levels list.

You say beginning of z goku is 416 no weights.
Then yajirobe is 1200 LOL? So you're telling me that yajirobe during Vegeta/nappa arc is stronger than GOKU in raditz saga?

Just...get out. I can't even see through the tears of my laughter. These "number" games are absurd.
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Why is that hard to believe? Even Chaozu likely got as strong as 1st Form Freeza, at least.
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Yajirobe is extremely weak, and is in no point stronger than Goku ever was. He also never trains. Ever.
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Jun 28 2013, 05:11 AM
You say beginning of z goku is 416 no weights.
Then yajirobe is 1200 LOL? So you're telling me that yajirobe during Vegeta/nappa arc is stronger than GOKU in raditz saga?

Just...get out. I can't even see through the tears of my laughter. These "number" games are absurd.
Of course he is, he surpassed Kami and Popo just like the rest of them, not to mention his official number is 910, I just think he's stronger.

Remember that Yajirobe was equal to Goku in his first appearace (read: stronger than Roshi), which proves that he's a beastly fighter.
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Yajirobe is extremely weak, and is in no point stronger than Goku ever was. He also never trains. Ever.
What a joke, do you even know what you're talking about? Like I said, he was equal to 22nd TB Goku and also...

Chapter: 211 (DBZ 17), P13.1
Context: after training under God
God: “You have all surpassed me now. There is nothing more I or Mr. Popo can teach you. Return to the lower world and refine your skills until the final confrontation.”
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Then bump up the Base Saiyans, I suppose.
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Jun 28 2013, 05:43 AM
Then bump up the Base Saiyans, I suppose.
If Kibito is expected to help against Dabura (by Vegeta, no less), then where do you think Kaioshin should be?

Kaioshin can walk all over Pui Pui and Yakon, and then he can bind Dabura.

Also he fought longer than Gohan did against Majin Boo and he's stated to be stronger than Piccolo who should be far ahead of the saiyans.

The whole being scared of Pui Pui thing is screwed-up; he's just being an idiot. He knows how strong SSJ2 Gohan is and he knows he can stop him with his binding technique, yet he's afraid for them fighting Pui Pui? Either he really sucks at estimating power or he's a paranoid lunatic.

Seriously, even if his power level is lower than Pui Pui, he'd still win in a fight against Dabura because of his binding magic, with that kind of stuff on his side, he's got no reason to fear any of them.

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P5.2
Kaioshin: “You mustn’t underestimate your opponent! Babidi gathers only strong warriors from everywhere and makes them his allies!”

Tell me exactly how this is supposed to prove that he's weaker. It's just a tip, Kaioshin clearly has no idea how strong Pui Pui is or he'd be laughing because Gohan would be having him for lunch.
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Countless times I've gone over this, I'm sure a few times with you as well. Alright, I'll respond to that when I get onto my PC...
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He's established SSj2 Gohan's power, yet he's afraid of Pui Pui.
He says he expects to lose against Goku, but is surprised that Goku is stronger than him.
He's strong enough to complete stop a super saiyan 2, yet he's afraid of Pui Pui.
He's stated to be stronger than Piccolo, yet he's afraid of Pui Pui.
He can push Boo back with a kiai as well as take hits from him, yet he's supposed to be weaker than Pui Pui.
He's surprised beings from the lower world can surpass him, yet he's afraid of Pui Pui.
He doesn't mention Pui Pui when he first sees him, yet he's supposed to be weaker than him.
Kibito is supposed to be a help against Dabura, and Kaioshin is stronger than him, yet he's supposedly weaker than Pui Pui.
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Thanks for laying that out for me, but I've got posts already pre-made for this argument. Just so you know, you'll be forced to give something up by the end of it.
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Thanks for laying that out for me, but I've got posts already pre-made for this argument. Just so you know, you'll be forced to give something up by the end of it.
This one?

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Ja, I used to use the same exact argument when I was on Kaioshin's side, but the thing is, there's not much supporting it this time. Nobody could sense Kaioshin and Kibito's energy, evidenced by Vegeta saying they'd figure out how strong they were with Kaioshin's match against Piccolo, and Goku asking right after Piccolo forfeited. So the question is: how did Piccolo sense such a strong power if everybody else couldn't?

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P10.2
Context: as Piccolo and Kaioshin's match begins
Vegeta: “We’ll finally know: just how much is his battle power, which we haven’t even been able to estimate?...”

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo resigns from his and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next.”

This leads to something much further down the line, during Goku's and Vegeta's fight. Vegeta points out that Kaioshin was supposed to be some amazing deity power-wise, but when it came down to it, he wasn't much to speak of.

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P4.6, P5.5
Vegeta: “By his nature, Kaioshin is supposed to be someone tremendous, but have you ever once thought that he was incredible? Quite the opposite, it's Kaioshin who’s been bewildered…Majin Boo is fearsome from Kaioshin’s perspective, but from ours he’s not so much…”

In fact, that quote is, I believe, sort of a "Haha, gotcha!" moment from Akira Toriyama. If you read through the tournament, Kaioshin is built up as someone to watch out for, and then during and after his match with Piccolo, someone that you don't want to ***** with.

Chapter: 437 (DBZ 243), P12.7-9
Context: after Goku and co. meet Kaioshin and Kibito
Piccolo: “…Wh-who are they?...”
Goku: “…I dunno…But there’s no doubt that it’s no longer just us who are gonna have easy wins…”
Kuririn: “Eh? I wonder…He didn’t seem that great…He just looked like a weird guy to me.”
Note: In Japanese it’s not actually clear here whether Goku and Piccolo are referring to both Kaioshin and Kibito or just Kaioshin. Kuririn though says yatsu (‘guy’) rather than yatsu-ra (‘guys’) so he’s almost certainly talking about just Kaioshin. As the conversation continues at the start of the next chapter though, Goku and Piccolo are clearly wondering who both of them are.

Chapter: 438 (DBZ 244), P3.4
Context: Goku looks at Kaioshin and Kibito
Goku: “Doesn’t look like there’s anyone significant besides those two…”

And then you get Vegeta's line that I provided above to put things into perspective. The fact that Piccolo is even questioning why he can't bring himself to fight Kaioshin, coupled with all of the questions regarding how powerful he is during the tournament and Vegeta's "demotion" of him later on, leads me to believe he just isn't anything special.

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P10.3
Piccolo: “Wh-why…is it so hard for me to fight him?...Ev-Even though I've only just met him…”

I actually find there to be an underlying theme with the Boo Saga, that being that the natural order of the universe was tipped upside down - instead of the gods being the strongest and everybody else just falling in line beneath them for all eternity (presumably), mere "mortals", these anomalies, were now making huge strides and far surpassing the gods in unnatural ways. Mostly everybody that came after Freeza was a direct result of the anomaly known as Goku:

- Without Goku being the anomaly he was, the androids and Cell would not have come to fruition.
- Because of Goku, the Z Fighters were as strong as they were, which directly led to Boo being revived; otherwise, as noted in a Daizenshuu volume, Babidi would have left the planet due to lack of sufficient energy.

Basically, because of Goku and his friends, the natural order of the universe was now thrown out of whack. It's even further supported by the issue with Dabura; Kaioshin revered Dabura as a huge threat, but Goku laughed him off because they'd grown too strong for someone of that level of power.

To sum that entire thing up and reiterate my original point, Kaioshin was supposed to be very strong and worthy of his title, but due to how things turned out concerning Goku and co., it was Kaioshin who was "bewildered" by such levels of power from those who were clearly considered nothing important strength-wise prior.


I'm still not understanding the whole thing. If he thinks that someone of Pui Pui's level can't be beaten by guys who are stronger than him, then why the hell would he challenge Babidi in the first place? He has a guy who's around Cell's level with him, and by the looks of things, it seems Kaioshin knows what kind of power to expect, yet he thinks that four guys weaker than Pui Pui are going to get anywhere in that fight?



Sorry, I just can't imagine Pui Pui being able budge Majin Boo and being able to fire off eye beams after he'd been totally crushed by him. I also can't imagine someone weaker than Pui Pui not s***ting his pants at SSJ2 Gohan.
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That's not it, but you also just gave me more ammo.
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Gud list, the only parts I don't like were that you have Cell Games Gohan 70% stronger than Goku, way too big a gap IMO should be closer to 30-40%. Also I think ASSJ multiplier should be 150% of SSJ
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